Saturday, October 17, 2009

Not as complicated as it seems: The MLS playoff picture for TFC

You had best sit down. This seems convoluted. But, it actually isn’t. Unless it is.

Currently, the best I can tell (MLSnet has yet to update the standings) Toronto sits in ninth place, in a four way tie for the final playoff spot. Dallas wins the four way tiebreaker by having the best overall goal differential of the three teams in that tie that were also tied in the first tiebreaker criteria (total points in games involving the tied teams). You still with me?

There are still two playoff spots at play. Seattle clinched a spot with its 3-2 win over K.C. tonight. Six teams are chasing those two spots – Toronto, New England, Dallas, DC United, Colorado and Salt Lake. However, Salt Lake is pretty much out of it as it would need to win and have a lot of other things go right. So really it’s five teams for two spots.

There are way too many possible scenarios to try and list them all, but, as far as Toronto is concerned it really comes down to winning against New York. The Reds will be the first of the playoff chasers to hit the pitch next week, so a T.O. win could have everyone chasing. Toronto would actually jump into the seventh slot with a win.

A draw would not immediately eliminate them, but it’s not something that they would relish.

The games:
Toronto @ New York
Colorado @ SLC
DCU @ KC
New England @ Columbus
Dallas @ Seattle
SLC at home versus Colorado

It’s interesting to note that all the realistic chasers are on the road (and it’s one of the reasons why a tie might, bizarrely, be enough). However, a TFC win combined with Dallas not getting the full three points against Seattle would clinch a playoff spot.

Why, you doubters ask?

Because Toronto wins any tiebreaker with DC United and New England. The only thing that mucks it up is if Dallas gets into the tiebreaking mix. So, provided that Toronto assures itself of finishing ahead of Dallas (the only team it can end tied with -- if it beats NY -- that it doesn’t win the tiebreaker), the worst they can finish is eighth.

Also, Toronto almost assuredly would clinch a playoff spot if it wins and Colorado fails to get the full three points (the worst case scenario there would see T.O. in a four way tie for seventh. Dallas would win the tiebreaker to capture the seven seed and the eight seed would go to either New England or Toronto, depending on which of those teams had the better overall goal differential. Toronto currently has a one goal advantage in that category, so New England would need to win by multiple goals against Columbus).

So, to summarize, next week TFC fans need to be looking west (and, of course, hoping for a win). If Seattle can finish off its home regular season with a result and TFC does what it should, you can buy your playoff tickets!

12 comments:

dbailey62 said...

Duane,

MLS has us at eighth as we (apparently) have the best head to head record against the three teams that are tied with us they being Dallas, the Revs and DCU.

I'm still trying to get my head around all of this but it is starting to make some sense.

It's a mini-table of the four teams.

db

devon said...

dbailey62, you are right.

TFC has 9 pts amongst that group of 4. (Dal and NE with 8, DC with 6

devon said...

duane,
as long as TFC wins then we only need one of DAL or COL to drop pts for TFC to get in.

Duane Rollins said...

TFC beat NE 3-1 and DCU 2-0. Thet drew Dallas 1-1, NE 1-1 and DCU 3-3 and lost 3-2 to Dallas

2-3-1 =9pts. My mistake. I counted the points wrong.

Yes, TFC win + Col dropping points = playoffs.

Neil said...

agree with all the others... the first tb is points in matches head to head... we have the most between the 4...
from my quick calcs: if Dallas wins but DC and the Revs ALSO win we have a 4 way tie and we actually squeak in through the tiebreaker!
also, if Colorado loses but we win and Dallas win we both grab spots…
So if we win we need either:
Dallas or Colorado to lose or draw
or (and this is the crazy part) DC & NE to WIN IF Dallas & Colorado both win so that the tiebreaker remains the 4 of us... if DC or the Revs we don't win the tiebreaker
so unless i’m wrong we are rooting for: TFC, DC (just in case), RSL, Seattle on Saturday and then if we have to NE on Sunday… crazy weekend ahead…
p.s. AWESOME BLOG

T Red said...

Ugh!, my head's spinning.

Let's win the game next first shall we, lol!

Wayne said...

It's really amazing that none of the 6 teams don't play each other next weekend.

Anonymous said...

Could anyone explain to me why on the MLS standings chart DC United is placed ahead of Dallas? By my count in the head to head DC has a combined 6 points and Dallas has 8.

Neil said...

Duane et al,
buckle up it is about to get way more complicated... if Chicago loses vs. Chivas on Thursday and TFC, DC, Dallas and NE all win we have a FIVE way tie for 2 playoff spots (3 if Colorado doesn't win)... whether it is 2 or 3 I believe (am way too dizzy to do the calcs) we are out... if Dallas doesn't get 3 we are looking at a 4 way tie between Chicago/DC/Revs/Us in that scenario we would get through... so it all goes back to betting everything on Colorado and Dallas losing or drawing... this is getting to be too complicated.

Skinn said...

Actually, it's even more complicated than that if Chicago loses and TFC, DC, and NE all win, because it would mean a 4way tie for second place in the east, and the automatic 4th seed. I'm too lazy to do the math among those four, but it would add another layer, presumably one of a higher order than who the last couple of wildcards are.

sstackho said...

I usually love tiebreaker math. But I don't love this.

I was going to ask why this league doesn't just do a total goal differential as the tiebreaker, but I suppose you could argue that it's due to the uneven schedule. But then again, you could easily complain about the uneven schedule in regards to total points at the end of the season - for example, with Toronto playing the champion Crew three times each year.

Maybe Duane can run the math on the relative opponent strength that the playoff-chasers have had to face this season!

Anonymous said...

Can't we TFC fans get back to self-congratulation instead of worrying about this messy playoff business?

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